2017-06-24: General Discussion

discussion notes

  • Covering anything Peterson, now that we finished the maps of meaning series

  • What does Peterson consider god? What is god?

    • Quotes

      • Lecture 07 1:08:00 “God is the spirit of civilisation”

      • Lecture 11 09:30 “God is the spirit of the great father, is the conceptualisation of what one bargains with with for rewards in their game”

      • Lecture 8 1:43:00 “The gods of abstractions compete in the manifestations of the tribes”

      • Lecture 8 1:57:00 “The first god of theirs (marduk) had the power of words”

    • Musings

      • Religion/feminism/marxism/nihilism/peterson all have different conceptualisations of what is the spirit of civilisation, and how to play the game of responsibility

        • Abrahamic religions

        • Feminism - feminine vs the patriarchy - your shortcomings are the patriarchy’s fault

        • Marxism - the proletariat vs the bourgeoise - your shortcomings are capitalism’s fault

        • Peterson - your shortcomings are your fault, start with addressing them

      • Responsibility

        • Accepting responsibility for everything is overwhelming

        • Accepting responsibility for nothing is hedonistic

        • Not playing the game of responsibility is nihilistic

        • Peterson: Play the game of responsibility for things you can reasonably impact, start with yourself and work from there

      • Groupthink

        • As religions became harder to believe in, people moved their delegation of responsibility to other forms of groupthink

        • Must take ownership of our own responsibility

      • Personalities

        • Do cultures/ethnicities have different personalities that impact god belief, or groupthink?

          • High openness, and low agreeableness - seem to be lack of susceptibility to these (challenges ideas and doesn’t do anything they don’t consider valid)

          • Low openness and high agreeableness - seems to be the susceptibility to delegate agency to appease peers (doesn’t challenge ideas, respects people too much)

      • Afterlife

        • Some musings on that that I can’t remember
      • Disciplining Children / Authority / Sociopaths / Guilt / Shame