Personality Lecture #18


(Benjamin Lupton) #1

Discussion thread for Personality and Its Transformations - Lecture #18

study group discussion

Discussion as part of our Jordan B Peterson Study Group.


2017-10-21: Personality #18
(Benjamin Lupton) #2

my notes

  • 00:00 - Big 5 can be broken into the Big 2 (stability and plasticity)

    • Stability (serotonergic function)

      • Conscientiousness

        • Industriousness

        • r=0.39

        • Orderliness

      • Emotional Stability / Neuroticism

        • Volatility

        • r=.59

        • Withdrawal

      • Agreeableness

        • Politeness

        • r=0.44

        • Compassion

    • Plasticity (dopaminergic function - mediates exploratory behaviour in the face of the unknown, as well as positive emotion - not so much you are motivated in the unknown, but motivated to explore the unknown - correlated with social environments, that is unknown exploratory environments)

      • Extraversion

        • Assertiveness

        • r=0.47

        • Enthusiasm

      • Openness to experience

        • Openness (Creativity)

          • Women higher 1/3rd sd
        • r=.35

        • Intelligence (Intellect with ideas)

          • Men higher 1/3rd sd
    • Average correlation between Big Five r=0.22

    • Correlation between Big Two r=0.24

  • 4:00 - business opportunity - don’t have good non-self-reported measurements for things that are not IQ - peterson has been trying to do this for the last 5 years

  • 5:00 - neuroticism is correlated with being self aware, self-consciousness is correlated with high negative emotion << perhaps why those who are aloof are happy >>

  • 6:00 - two things social scientists have been able to measure well - IQ - and the correlation of income inequality and male homicide

  • 7:00 - one of the problems of operating in the world, is you are faced with the question, of how to perceive the world, how to look at things (so you can use things in the world for the purposes you need to use them for) - this is one of the problems that intelligence tries to solve

    • 22:00 - then how do you act with those tools! Which is to say:

      • How do you perceive where you are now

      • How do you perceive where you are going

      • How do you construct a path to connect the two, and implement strategies to create the movement necessary

      • This is navigation - to attempt to make the world manifest itself in accordance with our wishes

        • Animals have their perceptions to rely upon, and humans have their perceptions and abstractions to rely upon, which eventually manifest themselves into language and creations

          • This then ties into the Temple Grandin tangent at 13:00

          • We live in a very abstract world

          • We can also take a lesson from somewhere, and apply it generally across other things

  • 11:00 - we see the world as a discrete set of tools

  • 12:00 - if you have a problem; Is it biological? Psychological? Environmental?

  • 16:00 - iconic representations aren’t what they represent, just a representation

  • 19:00 - for humans, without goals, there is no perception

  • 22:00 - a base of communication is establishing common knowledge/foundation to initiate the deviations of new knowledge from

  • 24:00 - Cognitive Ability

    • The complexity of the world

      • Motivated ends must be met (can also be thought as value systems)

        • Extraversion

          • Social success
        • Neuroticism

          • Security and safety
        • Agreeableness

          • Cooperation vs competition
        • Conscientiousness

          • Order, duty, obligation, implementation
        • Openness

          • Abstraction: Ideas and representation
  • 27:00 - temperaments and brain structures

  • 29:00 - when something unknown occurs, you have to guess how bad it will be - your score on neuroticism generally is the average score of how bad you rate things

  • 29:00 - conscientiousness - how hard should you work? Well it depends on the stability of the future - if you put people in wildly uncertain circumstances, they discount the future - conscientiousness store goods for the future

  • 31:00 - extraverts do not fare well under authoritarian systems << the current tech world >>

  • 32:00 - people with higher IQs only seem to fare better in complex societies - also women mate select based on equal or higher IQ

  • 33:39 - Cognitive Ability

    • Modeling of possibility prior to implementation

      • Models generate solutions to three problems:

        • Where are you?

        • Where are you going?

        • How are you going to get there?

    • These are problems of perception as well as strategy

      • Current and future situation must be conceptualised
    • Abstraction allows for testing and failure

      • Popper: “Our hypotheses die in our stead”
  • 34:00 - Chimps hunting

  • 34:30 - slide of brain

  • 37:00 - how to figure out a successful strategy, and how are successful strategies calculated evolutionarily

  • 38:00 - women and men are in a cognitive arms race, to outcompete each other << to consensually rape each other? - why compete, if not to dominate? >>

  • 41:00 - slide

  • 43:00 - understanding something, is correctly pattern matching it - such that it matches and is likely to be useable again - each match and use grow the circuits through dopamine - dopamine via cocaine produces hyper learning << should we all be taking cocaine for the study group… >>

  • 46:00 - if micro-personalities were not able to suppress other micro-personalities, then they would never be able to run to their conclusion, and you’d never be able to get what you want

  • 47:00 - imagery is the precursor to action - think about thinking, think, then act

  • 47:53 - Conceptions of cognitive ability

    • Intelligences

      • Practical versus analytical

      • Social, emotional, moral

      • Multiple: linguistic, musical, logical-mathematical, spatial, body-kinesthetic, intrapersonal, interpersonal

    • Intelligence

      • Highest strata has the most explanatory power

        • “G” measures “success” across broad domains - fluid intelligence

        • R~0.50

      • 1:00:00 - intelligence is your ability to play the metagame

      • 1:06:00 - faster reaction times, correlate to intelligence, at a 0.25 - how big our brain is, is also correlated - how big is your brain in relationship to your body << are midgets smarter??? >> - working memory is another - speed of electrical signals is another

  • 48:00 - regression equations, covariances, measurements

  • 55:00 - something is real if you can measure it, and it helps you predict

    • Reliability test (does your test measure accurately)

    • Correlationation test (if they are highly correlated, are they the same thing)

    • Factor analysis (common across all of them)

    • Can you predict from your measurement

  • 59:00 - is there anything left in these so called intelligences, when you factor in IQ and Personality - no there is not - and the people who keep pushing them, are those who do not like the idea of real individual differences

  • 1:07:32 - slide - Physiological correlates

  • 1:07:55 - slide - Effect Size

  • 1:10:00 - income inequality does not cause crime ONLY relative income inequality causes crime in the same area

  • 1:12:00 - neuro-psychologists like to think that working memory is a thing in and of itself - but that is because they don’t know a thing about psychometrics

  • 1:13:00 - slide - Three-Stratum Theory of Cognitive Abilities - John Carroll

    • If you maximally differentiate the fragmentations, and they are still correlated at 0.9 (like what happens at IQ) you are still measuring the same thing

      • Personality however, fractionates into 2, then into 5, then into 10
    • If you are high in one aspect of IQ, then you are 0.9 high in another

  • 1:16:19 - slide of the fractionations

  • 1:18:00 - IQ seems to be generally increasing with each generation - perhaps from better living conditions and nourishment - but also perhaps from greater need and exposure to complexity - however trying to change an existing groups IQ is incredibly difficult with little gains - breast feeding raises IQ by 2-3 points with every year of breastfeeding

  • 1:20:00 - IQ doesn’t measure worth, it measures ability to interact and manipulate complex problems

  • 1:20:00 - if you are going to measure something, or have measured something, you must make sure what you are measuring, isn’t already IQ and isn’t already personality - and almost no psychologists do this!!!

  • 1:21:00 - a good scientist wants to destroy their constructs, to not chase a ghost in a chimera

  • 1:23:00 - why know these things?

    • For your benefit - don’t get a job that is above your IQ - as you will become wretched, and make everyone around you suffer - do not take a job where your shortcomings in your IQ aspect will be your fatal flaw - find a profession where you will be in the upper % of intelligence, then you are a big fish in a small pond

    • For policy benefits

  • 1:24:00 - if you are less conscientiousness, then you will value more leisure than work, and more power to you if that is how you are wired

  • 1:30:00 - crystallized knowledge (accrue across time, the content), and fluid knowledge (what programs your brain, fills it with facts, it is the programmer) - the better the programmer, the better the content - that is why you can measure IQ by measuring crystallized knowledge, because the better the knowledge, the better the programmer

  • 1:31:00 - Slide - Complexity and cognitive ability

    • 95-86 percentile (IQ 130-116)

      • Attorney, Research Analyst

      • Editor, Advertising Manager

      • Chemist, Engineer, Executive

      • Manager, Trainee

      • Systems Analyst, Auditor

    • 85-73 percentile (IQ 115-110)

      • Copywriter, ACcountant

      • Manager/Supervisor

      • Sales Manager

      • Sales, PRogrammer

      • Analyst, TEacher, Adjuster

      • General Manager

      • Purchasing Agent

      • Registered Nurse

      • Sales Account Executive

    • 70-60 percentile (IQ 108-103)

      • Administrative Assistant

      • Store Manager, Bookkeeper

      • Credit Clerk. Drafter, Designer

      • Lab Tester/Tech, Assistant Manager

      • General Sales, Telephone Sales

      • Secretary, Accounting Clerk

      • Medical Debt Collection

      • Computer Operator

      • Customer Service Rep

      • Technician, Automotive Salesman

      • Clerk, Typist

    • 55-50 percentile (IQ 102-100)

      • Dispatcher, General Office

      • Police Patrol Officer

      • Receptionist, Cashier

      • General Clerical

      • Inside Sales Clerk, Meter Reader

      • Printer, Teller, Data Entry

      • Electrical Helper

    • 45-42 percentile (IQ 98-95)

      • Machinist, Food Dept Manager

      • Quality Control Checker

      • Claims Clerk, Driver/Deliveryman

      • Security Guard, Unskilled Labor

      • Maintenance, Machine Operator

      • Arc Welder, Die Setter, Mechanic

      • Medical/Dental Assistant

    • 37-21 percentile (IQ 93-87)

      • Messenger, Factory Production

      • Assembler, Food Service Worker

      • Nurse’s Aide, Warehouseman

      • Custodian/Janitor

      • Material Handler

      • Packer

    • Under 85 IQ (15% of population) there are no jobs left - 83 IQ (10% of the population)

      • << Which population? Global, or USA, or Canada? >>
    • The more you go down, the simpler and more repetitive jobs they get

    • IQ is how fast you will master any video game

    • << how does this factor in differences culturally/geographically - is a manager/programmer in USA as intelligent as a manager/programmer in Indonesia? >>

    • << as a society progresses, it should expect a fixed unemployment rate based on the intellect percentiles of available jobs) >>

    • << importing stupid refugees with the hope that they will be able to provide for the aging population, completely ignores technology will force them to become unemployed - then as jobs become more complex in the developed world, stupid people will need to be exported to the third world (where the technology has not yet reached) in order to work >>

  • 1:32:00 - life and business is a race - IQ people tend to be successful as they get there first

  • 1:40:00 - Slide - Intellect versus Openness

    • Intellect associated with nonverbal and verbal intelligence about equally

      • Intellectual, intelligent, clever, philosophical
    • Openness independently associated with verbal intelligence

      • Artistic, perceptive, poetic, fantasy prone